Schneier on security
Published: 23 Nov 2005 13:00 GMT
As one of the world's foremost authorities on security issues, Bruce Schneier has been a voice of reason in an industry where hyperbole is often rife.
Schneier, who has written several books on security and is the founder of Counterpane Internet Security, has previously criticised those who claim that cyberterrorism is a serious threat.
So, with the SANS Institute warning that hackers are changing their tactics and NISCC claiming that foreign governments pose a serious threat to the UK's critical infrastructure, we caught up with Schneier to get his take on the security landscape today.
Q: What do you think about the claim that foreign governments are
a serious threat to the critical national infrastructure of a country,
through government-led hacking?
A: In general, these threats are overstated. Is there a danger
to the critical national infrastructure from spying? Well, a lot of
reports you read tend to be very muddled as to the details.
Do you think the threat from cyberterrorism is still over-hyped?
Yes. The US government gives a lot of money to fight terrorism, so
cyberterrorism is hyped. I hear people talk about the risks to critical
infrastructure from cyberterrorism, but the risks come primarily from
criminals.
But at the moment, criminals aren't as 'sexy' as terrorists. We should not ignore criminals and I think we're under-spending on crime. If you look at ID theft and extortion it still goes on. Criminals are after money.
Hacking does seem to be more financially motivated now. Is there a 'malicious marketplace', as SANS claims?
There is definitely a marketplace for vulnerabilities, exploits and old
computers. It's a bad development but there are definitely conduits
between hackers and criminals.
Roger Cummings [director of NISCC] said on Tuesday there is a
danger that the links between criminals and hackers, and hackers and
terrorists, will become stronger...
Well if we were making a movie then that's what we'd do. I think that
the terrorist threat is over-hyped and the criminal threat is
under-hyped.
What do you think about governments using the threat of terrorism
to collect information on citizens, and the implications of that on
police powers?
It's very scary. This is a very complex issue one I've written books
about. My view is that we're faced with multiple threats. The worry is
that while we are trying to defend ourselves against one threat
[terrorism], we are actually making ourselves less secure. People are
scared, and because they're scared they're handing over powers to the
government and giving up their liberties. The threat of terrorism in
the UK has led to national e-card debates and biometric passport
discussions.
What are your views on biometrics in this context?
They're good for what they're good for, and bad for what they're bad
for. They have their uses and they have places where they're not
useful. The all-important issue is that we think we're in danger and
think that by using biometrics we'll suddenly be safe. We should use
them where they're valid.
How about ID cards?
In general, ID cards are a complete waste of money a former MI5
director said that. It's all very well for me to say that, but it's
nice to know Stella Rimington feels that way too.
The ID card debate in the UK is all about population control it's about controlling immigration, not terrorism. It is unfortunate the UK isn't having that debate properly.
So what will be the outcome?
There will be a massive erosion of freedoms in our culture. We are
losing sight of the future. I know that's not good news it's not fun,
but it's true. We'll be less secure as a result, because we'll be in
more danger from terrorists. There'll be an increase in the risk from
terrorists we are creating and we'll be giving the police state
powers.
We waste money on electioneering that could be spent on actual security investing in intelligence and better emergency response.
How can anyone feel safe in a world created by George Bush?
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